<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" ?>
<rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:wikidot="http://www.wikidot.com/rss-namespace">

	<channel>
		<title>Trebuchet Plans?</title>
		<link>http://thehurl.wikidot.com/forum/t-64571/trebuchet-plans</link>
		<description>Posts in the discussion thread &quot;Trebuchet Plans?&quot; - I am in a competition, not as big as this, but i would like to know some things about the KA and FAKA</description>
				<copyright></copyright>
		<lastBuildDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2026 03:49:36 +0000</lastBuildDate>
		
					<item>
				<guid>http://thehurl.wikidot.com/forum/t-64571#post-387269</guid>
				<title>Re: Trebuchet Plans?</title>
				<link>http://thehurl.wikidot.com/forum/t-64571/trebuchet-plans#post-387269</link>
				<description></description>
				<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 05:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Shinigami.san</wikidot:authorName>								<content:encoded>
					<![CDATA[
						 <p>Sorry it's been a while, I just barely got the new updated rules for the competition. (no major changes) It appears that the judges have interpreted the winning model as a Direct Drop Trebuchet. I'll try and get the online version of the rules if you want to view them.</p> 
				 	]]>
				</content:encoded>							</item>
					<item>
				<guid>http://thehurl.wikidot.com/forum/t-64571#post-209765</guid>
				<title>Re: Trebuchet Plans?</title>
				<link>http://thehurl.wikidot.com/forum/t-64571/trebuchet-plans#post-209765</link>
				<description></description>
				<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Craig Macomber</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>28020</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
					<![CDATA[
						 <p>Very interesting. KENT would not have been a <a href="http://thehurl.wikidot.com/trebuchettypes:variable-leverage-remote-drop-vlr">variable-leverage-remote-drop-vlr</a> (another kind I invented) would it? A <a href="http://thehurl.wikidot.com/trebuchettypes:wheel-trebuchet">wheel-trebuchet</a> is more likely.</p> <p>Thanks.</p> 
				 	]]>
				</content:encoded>							</item>
					<item>
				<guid>http://thehurl.wikidot.com/forum/t-64571#post-209763</guid>
				<title>Re: Trebuchet Plans?</title>
				<link>http://thehurl.wikidot.com/forum/t-64571/trebuchet-plans#post-209763</link>
				<description></description>
				<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Shinigami_San</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>138842</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
					<![CDATA[
						 <p>We finally competed, the trebuchet performed well during our test runs. But of course, everything goes wrong at the day of. We made the throwing arm out of a fiberglass hockey stick, and it ended up fraying, so efficiency went down a lot. It was a fun experience. More people know about this site now. The winning team had a very efficent design. seeing as how they didn't design it and it was a raytheon engineer. they call it the KENT trebuchet (Kinetic Energy Neo-Trebuchet) Kinda lame if you ask me. It was a totally different trebuchet, seeing as how the counterweight was attached via string. We believe that it broke all the rules, but the Judges didn't do anything about it. Maybe you'll take a look at the design if they post it somewhere, I have no pictures of it. Who knows? maybe you can build and perfect it for another pumpkin smasher.</p> 
				 	]]>
				</content:encoded>							</item>
					<item>
				<guid>http://thehurl.wikidot.com/forum/t-64571#post-183635</guid>
				<title>Re: Trebuchet Plans?</title>
				<link>http://thehurl.wikidot.com/forum/t-64571/trebuchet-plans#post-183635</link>
				<description></description>
				<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 03:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Shinigami_San</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>138842</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
					<![CDATA[
						 <p>Ok thanks, you really are a guru when it comes to this kinda stuff. We finished the frame and all we needed was an arm ratio to make an arm. Thanks for clearing that up for us.</p> 
				 	]]>
				</content:encoded>							</item>
					<item>
				<guid>http://thehurl.wikidot.com/forum/t-64571#post-183621</guid>
				<title>Re: Trebuchet Plans?</title>
				<link>http://thehurl.wikidot.com/forum/t-64571/trebuchet-plans#post-183621</link>
				<description></description>
				<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 02:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Craig Macomber</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>28020</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
					<![CDATA[
						 <blockquote> <p>Cool! Today we started building the trebuchet, but the model is definately scaled down. I have a question about the formula for mass ratio and beam ratio concerning Phssthpok's Rule ( MR = 20*BR)</p> <p>Can we use that equation to determine the arm ratio for the FAKA? (1.5k/4g = 20 * BR) or is the FAKA's arm ratio fixed?</p> </blockquote> <p>I assume you mean 1.5 k<strong>g</strong>/4<strong>0</strong>g. Anyway, you are looking at a mass ratio a tiny bit higher than K'nex FAKA, and much lower than GBB's max. GBB's 1:4 arm ratio seems to work through a very wide range, 50:1 to 150:1. I would recommend something between 3:1 and 4:1. Maybe 3.7 or so, but really with an FAKA, it does not need to be too precise. I'm guessing that anywhere from about 2:1 to 5:1 would actually work well.</p> 
				 	]]>
				</content:encoded>							</item>
					<item>
				<guid>http://thehurl.wikidot.com/forum/t-64571#post-183576</guid>
				<title>Re: Trebuchet Plans?</title>
				<link>http://thehurl.wikidot.com/forum/t-64571/trebuchet-plans#post-183576</link>
				<description></description>
				<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 01:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Shinigami_San</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>138842</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
					<![CDATA[
						 <p>Cool! Today we started building the trebuchet, but the model is definately scaled down. I have a question about the formula for mass ratio and beam ratio concerning Phssthpok's Rule ( MR = 20*BR)</p> <p>Can we use that equation to determine the arm ratio for the FAKA? (1.5kg/40g = 20 * BR) or is the FAKA's arm ratio fixed?</p> 
				 	]]>
				</content:encoded>							</item>
					<item>
				<guid>http://thehurl.wikidot.com/forum/t-64571#post-183282</guid>
				<title>Re: Trebuchet Plans?</title>
				<link>http://thehurl.wikidot.com/forum/t-64571/trebuchet-plans#post-183282</link>
				<description></description>
				<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Craig Macomber</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>28020</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
					<![CDATA[
						 <p>I haven't made a page for it yet, but <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/11784223@N06/tags/knexfaka/">K'nex FAKA</a> is small and threw 72 feet. You can see video of it on the <a href="http://thehurl.wikidot.com/trebuchettypes:faka">FAKA page</a>. One of the best things about the FAKA is that it works well from low mass ratios (30:1 on K'nex FAKA) to high mass ratios (150:1 on <a href="http://thehurl.wikidot.com/machines:golf-ball-beast">GBB</a>). For the triggers, you can do something like I did on <a href="http://thehurl.wikidot.com/machines:mini-ka">mini-ka</a>. Also, for tuning, I strongly recommend an adjustable length <a href="http://thehurl.wikidot.com/parts:slings">slings</a>.</p> <p>Based on the rules, I think you will have to consider the whole hanger as the CW, so take that into account. A FET is the same as an FAT without the vertical CW guides. To keep the axle from derailing, you need some rollers like on an FAKA.</p> <p>Because you seem to have some experience with F-series trebs, you can probably just go straight for the FAKA.</p> <p>Good luck! I'm glad my site has been of some use.</p> 
				 	]]>
				</content:encoded>							</item>
					<item>
				<guid>http://thehurl.wikidot.com/forum/t-64571#post-182791</guid>
				<title>Re: Trebuchet Plans?</title>
				<link>http://thehurl.wikidot.com/forum/t-64571/trebuchet-plans#post-182791</link>
				<description></description>
				<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Shinigami_San</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>138842</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
					<![CDATA[
						 <p>I GET IT NOW! The arm design for the FAKA does have two triggers, I thought that they were both on the arm where the Primary was. This trebuchet; however is going to be on a smaller scale. Do you think that it can perform well under the size restrictions?</p> 
				 	]]>
				</content:encoded>							</item>
					<item>
				<guid>http://thehurl.wikidot.com/forum/t-64571#post-182772</guid>
				<title>Re: Trebuchet Plans?</title>
				<link>http://thehurl.wikidot.com/forum/t-64571/trebuchet-plans#post-182772</link>
				<description></description>
				<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Shinigami_San</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>138842</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
					<![CDATA[
						 <p>Oops, didn't log in I was so excited. That previous post was by me, in case anyone else was wondering. Of course the Admin would know, but for future reference. Thanks again! This site is awesome.</p> 
				 	]]>
				</content:encoded>							</item>
					<item>
				<guid>http://thehurl.wikidot.com/forum/t-64571#post-182765</guid>
				<title>Re: Trebuchet Plans?</title>
				<link>http://thehurl.wikidot.com/forum/t-64571/trebuchet-plans#post-182765</link>
				<description></description>
				<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Anonymous</wikidot:authorName>								<content:encoded>
					<![CDATA[
						 <p>Thank you for responding.</p> <p>Based on the state Director's Interpretation, the arm cannot roll off of a wheel not attached to it, such as the F2k Series. This rule was added because we used an F2K design, which was totally unexpected. (Most people there had the traditional trebuchet design, therefore we were scoring way higher than they could of.) They then disqualified us on the spot and we went home sad. Determined to build a trebuchet with great efficiency, we build a FAT and took State. We now qualify for nationals, and have been searching around for a better trebuchet design.</p> <p>I like your idea of an FET, but I haven't found any pictures or information on how to build it. I'm assuming that it has the basic frame that of a FAKA, and the arm contains no special moving parts but the horizontal moving wheels at the pivot. Please Correct me if I'm wrong.</p> <p>Thanks again for helping us, we enjoy your site and we find it very useful. We'll be sure to advertise it at the competition and help it grow.</p> 
				 	]]>
				</content:encoded>							</item>
					<item>
				<guid>http://thehurl.wikidot.com/forum/t-64571#post-182030</guid>
				<title>Re: Trebuchet Plans?</title>
				<link>http://thehurl.wikidot.com/forum/t-64571/trebuchet-plans#post-182030</link>
				<description></description>
				<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 03:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Craig Macomber</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>28020</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
					<![CDATA[
						 <p>Looking through the rules, an FAKA does seem to be legal though the meaning of this is unclear to me:</p> <blockquote> <p>14. The rotating arm must include its own pivot point. External pivot points are prohibited. There mustonly be one pivot point.</p> </blockquote> <p>Anyway, if you haven't built trebuchets before, I strongly advise you don't build an FAKA. They are one of the most complex designs, and require video analysis and extensive tuning experience to get to work to their potential. That said, if you have lots of time, an FAKA might be an ok choice. Based on the rules, a <a href="http://thehurl.wikidot.com/trebuchettypes:floating-arm-trebuchet-fat">floating-arm-trebuchet-fat</a> a great choice. I would actually go for the <a href="http://thehurl.wikidot.com/trebuchettypes:floating-everything-trebuchet-fet">floating-everything-trebuchet-fet</a>. If that goes well, you can convert it into an FAKA (well, just make an FAKA arm for it so you can use which ever works better). An FET is basically an FAKA without most of the hard parts (complex tuning, and multiple triggers), and still gives great performance. I would put a lot of emphasis on keeping the arm very light, and even more emphasis on tuning it well.</p> <p>I think you should find sufficient trigger details on <a href="http://thehurl.wikidot.com/trebuchettypes:king-arthur-ka">king-arthur-ka</a>. Make sure to look at the large version of the images. Once you understand what the triggers need to do, the designing is up to you, but my pictures provide some examples.</p> 
				 	]]>
				</content:encoded>							</item>
					<item>
				<guid>http://thehurl.wikidot.com/forum/t-64571#post-181968</guid>
				<title>Trebuchet Plans?</title>
				<link>http://thehurl.wikidot.com/forum/t-64571/trebuchet-plans#post-181968</link>
				<description></description>
				<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Shinigami_San</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>138842</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
					<![CDATA[
						 <p>Hi, my friends and I are in a competition regarding trebuchets. The rules can be googled: MESA 2007-2008 Trebuchet Rules (California). We found this site to be very helpful in trebuchet designs; however, we are looking at designing a FAKA, this seems to be the most efficient. In order to build this, we need to know how the arm operates. (How we build it to have a primary and secondary trigger.) If we can get some help, that would be GREAT!</p> <p>We are also looking at other suggestions at trebuchets. (F2K Series disqualified)</p> <p>Thanks!</p> 
				 	]]>
				</content:encoded>							</item>
				</channel>
</rss>